No, you know what - it's as simple as this:

If you are counting Michigan in any argument concerning popular vote or concerning the "will of the people" or whatever, and you're giving 0 votes to Obama (not even the uncommited ones), then you're simply not worth talking to.

As such the entire Clinton campaign and all their hardcore fans on the Internet, have officially stopped being worth talking to, as they're all claiming she's the popular vote winner.

There's no further point discussing people as fundamentally dishonest with that -- my discussion of pledges and rules, and the very meaning of democracy is meaningless and wasted. Not with people who are counting Michigan in a popular vote tally and are giving 0 votes to Obama.

So this is the end: From now on, I won't be attempting to discuss with you, I'll just be mocking you. You people don't deserve anything better.