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"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

I rec'd your's and this one. I also rec'd a couple of others after reading the gist of this diary in a comment on another diary. I posted my first diary last night and it got 3 rec's. I was hoping for a couple of more, but once it dropped off the 10 most recent list there were no more comments. Oh well, it was my first diary.

by MS01 Indie on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 06:46:09 PM EST
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I recced yours. I thought it was a good comment on McCain - not just a scud-missile cause he's a Republican, but because he has slipped from his positive image.

I agree with your commentary. At first I thought he'd be OK, but the more I look at him the more he makes more more than nervous. Don't want to simply tar him with a GOP brush, but he either doesn't have what it takes, used to and lost it, or is entirely too easily directed by the GOP powers.

-chris

by chrisblask on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:16:55 PM EST
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The main reason (2.00 / 1)

I have not rec'd your diary, is the title.
People, especially people who are not rabid supporters of a candidate, don't like to be referred to as "Obama(fillintheblank)" or "Clinton(fillintheblank)", etc..

I hope you get what I mean.

by kevin22262 on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 07:15:30 PM EST
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Re: The main reason (2.00 / 2)

Do you even know what that word means? It refers to Republicans who support Obama. It's a commonly used term.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 07:31:15 PM EST
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Yes I know what it means. (none / 0)

That still does not change what I said.

Get it?

by kevin22262 on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 12:29:30 AM EST
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Re: Yes I know what it means. (none / 0)

Does it matter that Obama himself uses the term?

Just curious.

by vadasz on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 04:02:25 AM EST
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No... (2.00 / 1)

it doesn't. Because it is the people you are trying to bring on board that may not like it. They may want to support Obama or simply vote for him, but they may not want to be labeled with an Obama(anything) label.

I am an Obama supporter, other than that, I am not and don't want to be referred to as anything else. I am not an Obamaniac, Obamabot, OBama(fillintheblank).

I also did not like to be referred to as a Clintonista, etc.

I hope you can understand this.

You are trying to win these people over to at least vote for Obama, why take the chance to piss them off?

by kevin22262 on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 01:09:40 PM EST
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Now I get you! (2.00 / 1)

You are trying to win these people over to at least vote for Obama, why take the chance to piss them off?

That is a good point. We all tend to use short forms because, well, they're short. But it may well be easier to get a Republican to vote for Obama if they do not see themselves as adopting an Obamacan label.

Mojoed.

-chris

by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 03:29:36 PM EST
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DING DING DING! (none / 0)

You win the prize! :)

Even my g/f who backs Obama and is much more liberal than I am does not like to be labeled as Candidate(fillintheblank).

Many will vote for Obama but if you try and make them into one of the "movement" people, they will balk!

by kevin22262 on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 05:41:21 PM EST
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See RFO (2.00 / 1)

see http://republicansforobama.com

One of the Obamanauts is a Republican. We're proud of her and happy for her company.

I have been chanting for a long time that this is about more than winning the GE, we need to win the country. Bringing in Republicans (Obamacans) requires more of a stretch of the mind than bringing back those who supported Clinton or Edwards, but if we cannot we win the GE and lose the war. The Obamacan diary and the Generational Analysis diary (in which Boomers are argued to be extremely divisively partisan) speak well to this topic.

Both Recced.

:-)

-chris

by chrisblask on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:21:24 PM EST
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Re: See RFO (2.00 / 1)

You hit on a key aspect of both Obama's appeal and his promise.

During the primary he was variously mocked or disregarded because of his appeal to moderate Republicans . . . as if he were actually saying that we can all hold hands and sing songs.

But he's not and never has been saying that he's going to convince ALL Repubs to jump on board, or even half or even a very large minority.

But adding to the Dem lead in both houses, massaging the few moderate Repubs in both houses, and convincing a noticeable percentage of Repubs to vote for him is going to give Obama not only the appearance of a mandate, but an actual mandate from 'the people' with which he can work.

The point isn't to throw all our ideals out the window to get some Repubs on board, it's to explain our ideals in a way that shows quite a few Repubs that our ideals are also often theirs.

by vadasz on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 04:09:21 AM EST
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Re: The main reason (none / 0)

I don't mind being called an Obamaniac. He's the first candidate I've ever been enthusiastic about.

Gobama!

by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 10:43:08 PM EST
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Well... (none / 0)

"people who are not rabid supporters of a candidate" - may not feel the same.

From my comment above.

by kevin22262 on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 12:30:54 AM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

Being called "rabid" on the other hand...

Gobama!

by USArmyParatrooper on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 07:48:27 AM EST
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I understand (none / 0)

... but as a core supporter of a candidate, the rabid part is usually OK.

I was a rabid supporter of Wes Clark and John Edwards. I am a supporter of Barack Obama.

by kevin22262 on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 01:05:03 PM EST
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by Politicalslave on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 06:51:03 AM EST
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You wrote a great diary but your big mistake was you didn't attack anyone. Ha ha You talked about a real strategy. I enjoyed it and Rec it.

Correction: (none / 0)

It's about 8 for pro-nominee diaries.

It's about 4 for anti-nominee diaries.

Besides that, yes, we should rec stuff more.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 06:36:28 PM EST

nonsense (2.00 / 1)

It is done by rec's, comments, how long another diary has been on the rec list, time of day, etc.

When will you stop bashing on MyDD?

by kevin22262 on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 07:17:32 PM EST
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Re: Rec Diaries You Appreciate (2.00 / 2)

to which diaries are you referring? i havent seen one of those in a while. unless i missed something.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 06:38:06 PM EST

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/19/1036 55/836

They just concern troll, because they know no one tolerates open McCain support around here.

by libertyleft on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 07:05:48 PM EST
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Re: Rec Diaries You Appreciate (none / 0)

Yours CG You are always going after our nominee.
You are wonderful writer but honestly I believe you support Senator McCain.

by Politicalslave on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 07:59:05 PM EST
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I don't think she does. (2.00 / 1)

I think some of these people are just plain bitter about the campaign. Their candidate lost, so the other candidate that won must be a very bad man. Thus they leap on anything they can use to criticize him and thus use to make the rest of us see the error of our ways in rejecting their superior candidate.

Their goal is to see the rest of us thump our head and go, "Oh, why do I only see now, when it's too late, that Obama is a bad, bad person!"

Except for their having that perverse need, they are probably true progressives.

by Dumbo on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 08:34:22 PM EST
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out up or shut up. (2.00 / 1)

to what are you referring? my diary TODAY on NAFTA? probably not since you and your bud are suggesting a pattern. so please - go ahead and show me a diary since the primaries ended that does what you describe. ill be waiting.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 10:31:05 PM EST
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I didn't read your diary about NAFTA. (2.00 / 2)

And I read few of your diaries. I'm making a more generalized observation, though, in an attempt to make sense of the Obama-bashing, Obama-supporter-bashing, and concern-troll type diaries we keep getting.

For instance, I was thinking of this:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/20/2045 1/6040

or this

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/20/1583 4/1289

I'm also tempted to add the anti-Olbermann diaries, like your "Keith-ing it," but that has its own profile and explanation. No need to get into that here; I'm sure the opportunity will arise again.

I'm only pointing out that some of the worst bashing is coming from bitter progressive trolls, not McCain trolls.

I actually agree with some of the diaries critical of Obama. It's just that in the context of those criticisms (some valid) coming from die-hard ex-Hillary supporters with an axe to grind, it's hard to hold a grown-up conversation.

by Dumbo on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 02:19:48 AM EST
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you're right, its hard to hold a grown up (none / 0)

conversation...

you are making a generalization that includes me. twice now this particular person (who is seemingly questionable him/her self) keeps accusing me of bashing based on mischaracterizations. and you are sort of cheering them on.

because i wrote a critical diary about KEITH OLBERMANN that is a troll diary?

you guys are messed up.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 03:09:47 AM EST
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One year ago, (none / 0)

the idea that a progressive blog would have a diary not just criticizing Keith Olbermann but turning his name into a derogatory slur, that would most surely have provoked a response to the author like "You guys are messed up."

I have to ascribe it to bitterness over the campaign. Keith's biggest sin was that he called out Hillary Clinton for her white-voters comment. You may think it's unfair, but that doesn't make him an object of contempt for the progressive blogosphere, as you would have it. Most notably because we have so FEW progressive voices in the media. The need to "choose your battles wisely" would in itself dictate that Keith Olbermann is not a good place to start dismantling the media.

That is, not unless your beef is really over Hillary's loss rather than the media itself. In which case, you really are just a troll wasting our time.

by Dumbo on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 08:11:42 PM EST
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very rich. (none / 0)

sorry. but this will be my last comment to you on this matter as this diary is not about KO or CG. i have no interest in debating with you journalistic integrity and what that entails. and i find it interesting that you are preaching to me about bitterness with a sig line like yours. but i will leave you with these words....

you and your ilk are walking a dangerous line here in that, it would appear that to you not only does everyone need to support BO but also his SUPPORTERS blindly - SORRY NO.

and with that Dumbo i bid you farewell. peace.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 09:36:00 PM EST
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Re: out up or shut up. (none / 0)

CG Simple question which you have never answered. Do you support Obama or McCain? Please refer me to a pro Obama Diary of yours. Thank you

by Politicalslave on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 04:25:56 AM EST
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ah - so now the bar has moved again. (none / 0)

why is it that i have to keep explaining myself. now i have to write diaries that promote a candidate?

instead of certain people actually addressing the comment or diary they keep making this personal. oh well. in case you havent noticed i am canadian and therefore my support, if anything is symbolic. that being said - yes, IMO the democrats need to win the white house - so unless JM has become the leader of the democratic party - i think you can guess who i support.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:30:12 AM EST
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Re: ah - so now the bar has moved again. (none / 0)

I have noticed you are a Canadian which would makes your support as you say symbolic. BUT on this site you are a prolific writer. Not symbolic by any means.

by Politicalslave on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 05:22:46 PM EST
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Re: out up or shut up. (none / 0)

CG Simple question which you have never answered. Do you support Obama or McCain? Please refer me to a pro Obama Diary of yours. Thank you

Gobama!

by USArmyParatrooper on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 07:52:09 AM EST
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lol.... (none / 0)

yep - you pegged me. well done.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 10:18:16 PM EST
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Hi CG (2.00 / 2)

In the past week or so there have been a slew of diaries about the horribly sexist world we live in, with lots of specific or tangential digs at anyone who did not support the recently departed female candidate. In itself this is more than a valid discussion, but the rec list has often disolved into a single-issue menu. Too often for a progressive blog imho, the only other primary item on the menu is how terrible the Democratic nominee is...

My point in this diary is not so much as to say there should be a pro-nominee love-fest, rather that the MyDD community should express its choice of diaries more often. With such a small number of people bothering to rec anything, it could just as easily be a dozen pro-watercooler recommenders dominating the rec list with diaries advocating more (or less, or bluer) watercoolers. Inasmuch as the folks who come here bother reccing whatever it is that strikes their sensibilities as being worthwhile, the rec list will reflect whatever that aggregate view is.

There is certinaly more to talk about than any one issue, mine or anyone else's.

-chris

by chrisblask on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:30:01 PM EST
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I gotta call you on this one... (none / 0)

The last diary you and I shared comments on (I just replied to your last to me) is titled "I still don't buy into the Obama Hype"... It was on the rec list with eight recommenders, and the reason I wrote this diary, and your comment to me was in response to the comment that started this very diary.

I am calling you for either outright insincerity or a logic I do not understand if you actually believe that was just a simple argumentative diary. The title says otherwise - just imagine if I had written the same diary four months ago on this same site with the name of a different candidate in it. I would have been flamed to the core by the FleaFlicker crowd who ruled the roost at the time.

by chrisblask on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:43:07 PM EST
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well... (2.00 / 3)

i commented in this diary first and then saw that your comment in the other diary was i assume what motivated you to write this diary. but i am starting to lose patience with you and a few of your cronies today. who are you that i have to explain myself to you and people that have been members for 10 days. makes me wonder....

the diary in question, as well as the one i wrote had valid criticisms in it. as i told you before, in which several people have called you and your bud above who had the audacity to call me a GOP'er (even ardent BO supporters in the primary)- this is not an echo chamber. if you want one, i hear kos is pretty good.

people have every right to question obama and IMO his REAL supporters encourage this. people like you are of the mindset that enabled chimpy to run amuck. but you know what chris - this is my second interaction with you in which i am having to explain what most intelligent adults already know - so again i will bid you a good day and please understand that i will no longer be replying to your comments or diaries anymore. peace.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 10:17:13 PM EST
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Well well... (none / 0)

Cronies? I recognize folks in this thread from here, but there isn't anyone I know outside MyDD. Wonder all you choose, but I have been here long enough to have proven I am who I am, and there are only three or four others on here I know from elsewhere and those are not the folks commenting the past few days. Several of the folks that have been reccing anti diaries here also have accounts on Alegre's site (as did I for about ten seconds until it was deleted), and that "makes me wonder..." :-)

The diary in question did have arguably valid criticisms in it, which I noted in my comment therein. The title was a slam at myself and others ("hype" is one of the dogwhistles that goes with "cult" "koolaid" etc.) and it had made the reclist with eight of the usual folks who rec anything negative to the Dem nominee. Your recent diaries that I have noticed have been questioning the media - also a valid arguement - and not the more offensive of a flurry of similar diaries more specifically chewing on how sexist the media is and how that is part of the grand conspiracy orchestrated by Powers Against Women to enable the current nominee to succeed. It is not the topic in itself that bothers me, it is that domination of that topic or anything else that can be used against the Dem nominee in the diaries and the rec list. This diary and my comment that preceeded it specifically did not ask that those who are reccing up the anti diaries to stop, rather that people who are not reccing anything should take the time to rec whatever they choose. It has only been because so few bother to do so that such a small group could have such undue influence. My goal here is to encourage more people to rec, whether their choices match mine or not, and foster the type of healthy debate you assert that I am opposed to.

Your "people like you" comments are becoming a habit, and are niether accurate nor insightful. You may choose to disagree with my commentary, but if you have missed the reiteration of my support for debate then you are skipping over the good bits. Further, you have jumped on me several times for asking questions you do not approve of and responded with, as now, the "I will no longer be (communicating) with you" response. Again, your choice. But not the choice of someone claiming to support open debate. In fact, it is precisely the kind of thing someone who believes as you assert that I do would say.

Decline to debate with me if you choose. I do not decline to debate with anyone. That is the point.

-chris

by chrisblask on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 11:57:42 PM EST
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by ChitownDenny on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 06:42:44 PM EST

OK.

Purity! Or else!

Re: Rec Diaries You Appreciate (2.00 / 1)

Thank you. I was starting to wonder if this was a
a McCain website. We can't let McCain supporters
hijack our site.

by Politicalslave on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 07:49:03 PM EST

by redwoodsummer on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 01:34:59 AM EST

I hearby recommend the recommendation to rec diaries you appreciate.

I think that all good, right thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not, and I'm sick and tired of being told that I am.

It seems to be working, but I didn't really intend this to be one of them... ;-)

Thanks, folks!

by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 01:45:37 AM EST
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Re: Rec Diaries You Appreciate (none / 0)

Well you put into words what many were wondering.
I don't have a way with words like many here and that includes CG as well. This diary meant a lot.

by Politicalslave on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 07:02:06 AM EST
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by Politicalslave on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 04:32:02 AM EST

This is a well needed diary. I don't care who you choose to support or critique. But please don't say your a Democrat if you are not.

Forget this diary, lets share recipes. (none / 0)

Does anyone here have a good recipe for chocolate brownies, or a funny picture of a cat, or perhaps a drama llama?

My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?

by PJ Jefferson on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 07:13:53 AM EST

Re: Forget this diary, lets share recipes. (none / 0)

Well, there's always shark jumping Homers...

by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 08:50:38 AM EST
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Good sense of humor. It was no offense to your (none / 0)

diary. Its just that I see so many MyDD members hijack threads so often, I figured I'd get banned by the admins if I didn't do my part and fuck up someone else's diary. So now, I'm going to be a good MyDD'er. I'm going to hijack threads like its going out of style. Then, I'll get the khakis, and then the jobs, and then the women. See, I've got it all planned out. Except I can't seem to find that damned jade monkey.

My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?

by PJ Jefferson on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 08:24:14 PM EST
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Re: Good sense of humor. It was no offense to your (none / 0)

First we kill the lawyers...

Thanks, that was a good chuckle. Really, really need more of those.

I've stomped on more than one thread myself, either by just being too damn verbose or blatantly pasting Rocky Horror videos if I get too f&^%ing pissed off. Is it right? Is it wrong? Dunno, I'll be happy if I do better than 50% in life...

-woof!

-chris

by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 09:16:03 PM EST
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Disappear Diaries Obama Wouldn't Like (none / 0)

That title would better capture the spirit of your diary. Like this one (suggested by libertyleft), about notorious 'concern troll' Glenn Greenwald and his defense, against Obama, of the 4th Amendment:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/19/1036 55/836

We must not read such inconvenient truth! Obama supporters, disappear it by recommending other diaries!

We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.

by fairleft on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:22:47 AM EST

Blarney stone much? (none / 0)

I encourage you to rec anything you like, just as I do anyone else. You want to slam Obama, Clinton, Kennedy, God - more power to you. All I want is to take away your monopoly. Sorry about that (not).

If you have trouble understanding what folks write, there are Reading Comprehension courses at your local college. Just sayin'...

by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:44:06 AM EST
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er, and thanks for the rec (none / 0)

though you confuse me with that, it is the idea.